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love which he justly reviled; and the other discourse leading us to

the madness which lay on the right side, found another love, also

having the same name, but divine, which the speaker held up before

us and applauded and affirmed to be the author of the greatest


Phaedr. Most true.

Soc. I am myself a great lover of these processes of division and

generalization; they help me to speak and to think. And if I find

any man who is able to see "a One and Many" in nature, him I follow,

and "walk in his footsteps as if he were a god." And those who have

this art, I have hitherto been in the habit of calling

dialecticians; but God knows whether the name is right or not. And I

should like to know what name you would give to your or to Lysias'

disciples, and whether this may not be that famous art of rhetoric

which Thrasymachus and others teach and practise? Skilful speakers

they are, and impart their skill to any who is willing to make kings

of them and to bring gifts to them.

Phaedr. Yes, they are royal men; but their art is not the same

with the art of those whom you call, and rightly, in my opinion,

dialecticians:-Still we are in the dark about rhetoric.

Soc. What do you mean? The remains of it, if there be anything

remaining which can be brought under rules of art, must be a fine

thing; and, at any rate, is not to be despised by you and me. But

how much is left?

Phaedr. There is a great deal surely to be found in books of


Soc. Yes; thank you for reminding me:-There is the exordium, showing

how the speech should begin, if I remember rightly; that is what you

mean-the niceties of the art?

Phaedr. Yes.

Soc. Then follows the statement of facts, and upon that witnesses;

thirdly, proofs; fourthly, probabilities are to come; the great

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