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Unquestionably, he said, the wise man speaks with authority
when he approves of his own life.
And what does the judge affirm to be the life which is next,
and the pleasure which is next?
Clearly that of the soldier and lover of honor; who is nearer
to himself than the money-maker.
Last comes the lover of gain?
Very true, he said.
Twice in succession, then, has the just man overthrown the
unjust in this conflict; and now comes the third trial, which
is dedicated to Olympian Zeus the saviour: a sage whispers
in my ear that no pleasure except that of the wise is quite
true and pure--all others are a shadow only; and surely this
will prove the greatest and most decisive of falls?
Yes, the greatest; but will you explain yourself?
I will work out the subject and you shall answer my ques-
Say, then, is not pleasure opposed to pain?
And there is a neutral state which is neither pleasure nor
A state which is intermediate, and a sort of repose of the
soul about either--that is what you mean?
You remember what people say when they are sick?
What do they say?
That after all nothing is pleasanter than health. But then
they never knew this to be the greatest of pleasures until they
Yes, I know, he said.
And when persons are suffering from acute pain, you must
have heard them say that there is nothing pleasanter than to
get rid of their pain?
And there are many other cases of suffering in which the
mere rest and cessation of pain, and not any positive enjoy-
ment, are extolled by them as the greatest pleasure?
Yes, he said; at the time they are pleased and well content
to be at rest.